(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2015 US Masters - Yulin Tong (w) vs Mark Lee (b)]PW[Yulin Tong]PB[Mark Lee]WR[4p]BR[7d]DT[2015-08-06]EV[2015 US Go Congress]RO[6]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to round 6 of the US Open Masters tournament at the 2015 US Go Congress in St Paul, Minn
USGO1 [-\]: there are only a couple of players in the room so far, with mere minutes until starting time
negesog [6k\]: When does it start? 
RobertT [-\]: this is going to be good
USGO1 [-\]: The players are at the table... they bow and start the clock
negesog [6k\]: I love Marc style 
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;B[qd]C[hoyuka [1d\]: any livestream?
weiqidevil [-\]: who is Marc style?
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;W[dc]C[Mitty [1k\]: advanced Gangname style
USGO1 [-\]: the rest of the room is still noisy, as less than half of the other players are here yet
RobertT [-\]: livestream doesn't seem to be up yet
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;W[dp]C[USGO1 [-\]: For the latest results, pairings and game records, see the crosstabs section of the USGO website: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/173
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;B[nc]C[RobertT [-\]: livestream is up
USGO1 [-\]: This top board will be streamed live on the AGA's official Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/usgoweb
hoyuka [1d\]: who is Yulin Tong?
Jermelle [-\]: I like how focused Mark lee always looks
hoyuka [1d\]: chinese pro?
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;W[pn]C[RobertT [-\]: he is currently the only undefeated player in the tournament
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;W[qj]C[RobertT [-\]: and he is playing the person that went undefeated last year
RobertT [-\]: so this is a match between the 2 current favorites
Mitty [1k\]: I hope mark lee good luck 
OoohShiny [10k\]: ... Luck? what?
USGO1 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TongYulin
RobertT [-\]: oh wow, so this is the match between the player that went undefeated in the 2014 us go congress vs the player that went undefeated in the 2014 european go congress
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;W[ci]C[kmr [1d\]: black win will be huge surprise, according to how white is doing in this tournament
Jermelle [-\]: I think Mark Lee will win, if you look at the livestream he looks very determined... he's literally a rock sitting in his chair.
kmr [1d\]: ah, C11 3 space low pincer, Dosaku speciality, this i like!
Jermelle [-\]: No emotion, just pure thought
RobertT [-\]: "huge suprise" lol
kmr [1d\]: maybe, but Youlin Tong game agains Yaouin Cao was extremely convincing win for white
GroovyM [8k\]: link to live?
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;B[cn]C[RobertT [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1YT4VhafTI
GroovyM [8k\]: thanks Robert
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;W[cl]C[herissondu [5d\]: i don't like this for b
Weishenme [4d\]: please somone knows what is the writing of Tong Yulin ? is it 佟禹林 ?
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;B[gd]C[Weishenme [4d\]: someone
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;B[jd]C[bitzi [-\]: 佟禹林
RobertT [-\]: np
Jermelle [-\]: d14 here?
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;B[qh]C[kmr [1d\]: Considering fact that Youyin Cao forced Mark Lee to resign in 118 moves, and Youlin Tong forced Youin Cao to resign in 107 moves, i think it would be a more than surprise if Mark Lee will win with Youlin Tong, although i dont think he has no chances, thats all.
play234 [-\]: anyone else having problems connecting to the stream?
wuhu [-\]: no stream??
weiqidevil [-\]: it's a bit far fetched to apply transitivity here
HateToWin [?\]: they are having issues with the stream, said it will be fixed shortly
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;W[oj]C[wuhu [-\]: ok thx
kmr [1d\]: yes weiqidevil i know, but both of these games were very convincing wins
play234 [-\]: ok thx
indianayk [?\]: kmr's statement is really unbelievable if you are a Go player
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;B[fp]C[kmr [1d\]: considering theory of probablity its just true, if A wins even game with B, and B winseven games with C, probability of C winning game with A is lower than 50%, it depends how low it must be, to call win surprise
indianayk [?\]: how could you talk about "probability" with one single game?
Reym [-\]: it doesn't quite work this way
USGO1 [-\]: Yulin stepped away from the borad a short time ago... we're still waiting for his return
SideEffect [1k\]: Is that how Rock Paper Scissors works?
Reym [-\]: ask him to bring the camera back ;)
bitzi [-\]: is the camera frozen or ist mark lee just not moving at all
kmr [1d\]: i can talk, but ofc if they would play more i would be more sure.Thats how probability works
rex27 [3k\]: 4段劲吖
NivCoan [2k\]: kmr ofc it's more likely, but not enogh to justify saying that
USGO1 [-\]: Yulin returns and settles in studying the board
bitzi [-\]: i wonder who would win MM or yulin tong
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;B[cq]C[Reym [-\]: picture and sound very good on the stream thanks
notevenbad [-\]: hey
notevenbad [-\]: that's the guy who blitzed through everyone in last year's EGC
kmr [1d\]: maybe, when i said "surpise" it was ofc just my opinion, it depend on level of odds when won by weaker side would be called "surprise".Anyway even if i think white will win, up to now i like black more :)
Gor [3d\]: who said b is much weaker
kmr [1d\]: nobody
Gor [3d\]: he beat almost all the american pros
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;B[bp]C[Jaguire [4k\]: this chat is so stubborn..  let it go he just said he's opinion 
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;B[fn]C[negesog [6k\]: And he is only 17
notevenbad [-\]: tong is 17?
notevenbad [-\]: damn
iceweasel [-\]: b feels better in this corner
guapo [1d\]: born in 1992
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;W[bm]C[guapo [1d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TongYulin
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;W[cr]C[indianayk [?\]: mark lee is younger
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;B[en]C[notevenbad [-\]: holy shit
negesog [6k\]: Mark is17
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;W[fo]C[guapo [1d\]: i like b in this game
kmr [1d\]: ok, now it looks better for white :)
negesog [6k\]: For now I like b
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;W[dr]C[vaansama [2d?\]: lol
guapo [1d\]: apparently w had to cut
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;B[ek]C[guapo [1d\]: otherwise too good for b
gogen [3k\]: big fight is coming
guapo [1d\]: already here
alienist [5k\]: not so fast-human behavour due to many variables does not easly reduce probabilites in the short term
flobby [-\]: i'm going to bet on w anyway
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;W[im]C[negesog [6k\]: I bet on b
alienist [5k\]: go skill just one variable
gogen [3k\]: fight is gonna be amaizing
negesog [6k\]: Sur 
flobby [-\]: yeah, depends on how much you want to win it
rsun [4d\]: when does commentary begin?
flobby [-\]: I guess for Mark it's like challenging a goliath whereas for Tong Yulin it's just another game
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;B[in]C[guapo [1d\]: not at all
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;W[jm]C[indianayk [?\]: mark beat all of chinese pros at last year's us open
HateToWin [?\]: i think it starts in around 15-20 minutes
flobby [-\]: For Mark, this is basically his most important tournament of the year
rsun [4d\]: go is not transitive: A crushes B, B crushes C, but A may not crush C
flobby [-\]: whereas for the active chinese pro, it's almost like a vacation
Gor [3d\]: was mark part of korean insei top group?
Gor [3d\]: it seems really weird he didnt make it to pro
flobby [-\]: So I think in terms of determination to win, Mark has an advantage
kmr [1d\]: sure Rsun, but assuming data we have, we may say easily that A will win with C more likely than opposite, am i right?
rsun [4d\]: yes
truman [2d\]: Anyone here *not* watching the stream?
flobby [-\]: rsun was that a yes to me or kmr? 
flobby [-\]: or gor?
rsun [4d\]: I'll watch when the commentary begins
rsun [4d\]: @kmr
sestir [2d\]: truman, yes
Weishenme [4d\]: k7 = 泼冷水
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;B[gk]C[flobby [-\]: Not sure what you mean, weishenme, can you elaborate
flobby [-\]: and I speak chinese....
rsun [4d\]: it means drink some water
gogen [3k\]: Forman beat Frezer, Frazer beat Ali once and Ali beat Forman 
Weishenme [4d\]: :) not exactly 
flobby [-\]: it means to splash cold water
rsun [4d\]: imagine you're hot and enthusiastic
rsun [4d\]: like fire
Weishenme [4d\]: it is a kind of move discouraging the 
truman [2d\]: sestir: why not? ;)
flobby [-\]: but who is it discouraging?
Weishenme [4d\]: the opponent
truman [2d\]: (btw, the stream link is  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1YT4VhafTI )
RobertT [-\]: go playing isnt as 1 dimensional as to translate it in that way. I've been part of triads where on average A wins vs B, B wins vs C and C wins vs A just because our playing style and strength/ weaknesses lined up right.
rsun [4d\]: yes, that is the concept of nigate
Weishenme [4d\]: W is blowing B's god mood away
Weishenme [4d\]: good mood
flobby [-\]: really... i can't see it weisheme
rsun [4d\]: I can't see b's good mood to begin with ;)
flobby [-\]: I always thought "Weishenme" was some German word until now, I realized it was just pinyin LOL
Weishenme [4d\]: :)
rsun [4d\]: if it were sch instead of sh it would look more german
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;W[jn]C[flobby [-\]: Anyway regardless of whether kmr's logic is correct, I think it is generally agreed that yulin is stronger than mark, at least a bit.
flobby [-\]: on the other hand, I think Mark wants to win this more
rsun [4d\]: b's position does not look promising
flobby [-\]: really
flobby [-\]: but where is w territory other than top left?
rsun [4d\]: b also not much territory
rsun [4d\]: top right is vague
flobby [-\]: but so many b stones
flobby [-\]: like 5
RobertT [-\]: still seems pretty even to me
flobby [-\]: b will at least get something
flobby [-\]: and b has bottom right too
rsun [4d\]: doesn't matter, w can live easily, either corner or side
rsun [4d\]: you can assume b 15 points for the top half
rsun [4d\]: bottom right is 15 also
flobby [-\]: btw what's the move to live in corner here usually?
rsun [4d\]: r17 is standard
flobby [-\]: i always fail
rsun [4d\]: but not sure w will do that
rsun [4d\]: maybe r14 better
Lice [4d\]: ר14 נקאאקר אישמ ר17
Lice [4d\]: woops
flobby [-\]: r17 lives or ko?
rsun [4d\]: r17 is ko
Lice [4d\]: ye r14 better
RobertT [-\]: top right seems more like 20
negesog [6k\]: Seams that w is creating a 
Weishenme [4d\]: rsun , I  see yhat you like riddles ; I have one go riddle for you
negesog [6k\]: Moyo
RobertT [-\]: a solid corner enclosure is 15 points but black has an extension on both sides (but still open)
rsun [4d\]: if you take out w's potential group there, then 15 is more accuate
rsun [4d\]: g18 is open too 
indianayk [?\]: b is having a difficult game to solve here
RobertT [-\]: so I would give at least more then just an enclosed corner...
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;W[ko]C[Reym [-\]: i would never have thought of k6
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;W[kp]C[rsun [4d\]: bring it on weishenme
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;W[ei]C[Reym [-\]: but it's quite violent in the end
rsun [4d\]: the problem for b is his lone group
rsun [4d\]: he will get busy in middle game
Weishenme [4d\]: Imagine an empty board with only one WHITE stone one the tengen. Assuming that this position is the result of a regular game without passing at all, how many moves do you need ( minimum ) to reach this position ?
rsun [4d\]: and w will destroy the top naturally
indianayk [?\]: i like w better at this point
RobertT [-\]: 2
flobby [-\]: 1, in the rulesets where w goes first?
swampthing [2d\]: k6 was nice
rsun [4d\]: not 2, there is no passing for b
RobertT [-\]: oh
Weishenme [4d\]: no , it is a regular game, B first
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;B[gi]C[rsun [4d\]: on 19x19 board? ;)
Weishenme [4d\]: yes
negesog [6k\]: He will  reduce top not destroy 
humblelife [-\]: it's more than 360
mutlley: are there any non-asians in the top group?
RobertT [-\]: its not possible because the act of capturing blacks stones to remove them all from the board would leave more than 1 white stone on the board
gogen [3k\]: may be joseki in left down corner was a bit disadvantagious for b because w already had c 11 stone?
RobertT [-\]: so its not possible to have a game with only white tengen
testgo1 [3k\]: now f8?
justus1 [5k\]: you need black to capture into auto atari with tengen the last eye
RobertT [-\]: you would need a ruleset that allowed black suicide
Weishenme [4d\]: RobertT ;: isit is possible, there is a flaw in your reasoning
Lice [4d\]: sure is
Trumelunki [3d\]: what about suicide rule Weishenme?
Lice [4d\]: anyway its pretty easy to solve this you just need to be bored enough
Weishenme [4d\]: no suicide
Trumelunki [3d\]: k
sadfasdf: 720 moves is my answer
sestir [2d\]: if w f8 e8 f9 f10 and white can't cut because of the wedge at h7
iceweasel [-\]: i know how many moves it takes on 3x3
Weishenme [4d\]: The answer is not so immediate .
Sosnovsky [5k\]: it is like 360 + 360/2 + .. +1
RobertT [-\]: oh right because leaving only a single eye on tengen
Weishenme [4d\]: yes Robert
Lice [4d\]: ah wait mabye its not so easy
RobertT [-\]: it would be something like 361 + 361 + 1
RobertT [-\]: or something like that
rsun [4d\]: well the answer has to be even number
Lice [4d\]: lol
Lice [4d\]: you pro
Weishenme [4d\]: yes
Weishenme [4d\]: even of course
vaansama [2d?\]: 42 universal answer
humblelife [-\]: ah, so w makes a ginat center dango, and both players cooperate to shrink it. not really a normal game
rsun [4d\]: it may be achievable against idiotbot
Lice [4d\]: oh i think i found a way to solve this
Lice [4d\]: still gonna take some time though
Reym [-\]: let ask Lee Hajin
Weishenme [4d\]: It is not so "evident" Lice
rsun [4d\]: is this something to be proved using induction?
Lice [4d\]: are you supposed to solve it with out writting things down?
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;W[lr]C[Reym [-\]: you can solve it asking SE
Weishenme [4d\]: possible to solve it by head, but difficult
RobertT [-\]: 721 is my guess
rsun [4d\]: dude that is not an even number
Reym [-\]: almost
guapo [1d\]: m4 then what?
Weishenme [4d\]: 721 is odd....
cizu: even numbers are dividable by 2 without rest, Robert
rsun [4d\]: if 10k play this, I'd m4 immediately
RobertT [-\]: sorry 720
rsun [4d\]: but 4p play this, you know m4 is trap
Reym [-\]: it is an odd riddle too
rsun [4d\]: m4 n4 m5 l6 n3 is my guess
guapo [1d\]: or maybe the 4p knows you are gonna think is a trap
guapo [1d\]: but it isnt
rsun [4d\]: lol
RobertT [-\]: black fills all the outside while white plays in the center while black keeps capturing and recapturing until black fills up the whole board except tengen then white captures
rsun [4d\]: but the smarter pro would know you think it's a trap but it really isn't and so you would play it, but it indeed is a trap
cizu: I guess you have to reverse engineer it
sestir [2d\]: rsun, then wN5 ladder
gogen [3k\]: Hay Lee commments began
NivCoan [2k\]: m4 q4?
Reym [-\]: thks
capgun [4k\]: And as everyone knows, Iocaine powder is from Australia ....
cizu: where?
cizu: link Hajin?
flobby [-\]: is it a really huge number, weishenme
Reym [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1YT4VhafTI
indianayk [?\]: her name is hajin, not hay
mapt [1d\]: l6 abs in consider
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;B[dj]C[flobby [-\]: say over 9000 for example
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;B[de]C[iceweasel [-\]: try find the answer for 5x5 first
rsun [4d\]: I can't even figure it out for 3x3
iceweasel [-\]: for 3x3 it's 8+4+2+1+1=16
Weishenme [4d\]: right
iceweasel [-\]: for 5x5 it's far more complex because pass is not allowed
iceweasel [-\]: it's not clear that it's possible
Vaelis: if pass was allowed, the answer would be 2 in every board
sadfasdf: I had no problem making it with 48 moves on 5x5
rsun [4d\]: what is the event number on sli.do?
Lice [4d\]: you wanna ask haijn the riddle?
sadfasdf: it's always 2*(n*n-1)
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;W[ee]C[Weishenme [4d\]: One player has found the right solution; he gave it to me in the private chat
iceweasel [-\]: can you create the 48 move game on kgs, sadfasdf?
flobby [-\]: who?
gogen [3k\]: something wrong with the translation(
notevenbad [-\]: how much time do they have?
rsun [4d\]: what are they doing in the commentary
rsun [4d\]: they seem to be having a lot of fun
cekalo [1k\]: who is watching this on youtube?
USGO1 [-\]: they have each used about equal time so far since the game started over an hour ago, so they have a little under an hour main time left
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;W[cg]C[guapo [1d\]: w looks better to me now
flobby [-\]: weishenme can you tell us who solve dit
Reym [-\]: why you ask cekalo?
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;B[bd]C[Weishenme [4d\]: no :) because the reasoning of this guy ( or girl ) is not ok. But  final result is ok 
Weishenme [4d\]: actually 2 players found the solution
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;W[bc]C[flobby [-\]: both of them?
Warfreak2 [-\]: the "one white stone" puzzle is fun but not too difficult - you fill from the centre with white stones, from the outside with black stones, black captures first and then we continue, black captures first again, then eventually black captures one stone on tengen and white recaptures
flobby [-\]: i don't want answer i just want to know who got it right first (and second) :)
sadfasdf: iceweasel: look in english gaming room (last game 5x5 demonstration)
RobertT [-\]: actually I just played it out and it was slightly more difficult than that
RobertT [-\]: black has to leave a 3 space eye on the edge
Warfreak2 [-\]: in the process of this the black stones are only captured once, and when they are captured they take up all the spaces on the board, so that's how many black moves there were, double that to get the total number of moves
RobertT [-\]: or it turns into white being forced to suicide but cant
iceweasel [-\]: i dont see 5x5 in EGR
iceweasel [-\]: ah i do now
flobby [-\]: yes robert
flobby [-\]: you can reverse engineer that on a 19x19
flobby [-\]: from the 3rd last move of white
flobby [-\]: which was why i asked if the answer was really large
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;B[di]C[flobby [-\]: since I was wondering if that was a chieveable so maybe they have to take turns eating the whole board
flobby [-\]: until a certain shape is obtained
RobertT [-\]: yep thats roughly how it works
RobertT [-\]: but oddly you cant just do that mindlessly, have to leave black with eyespace on the side
RobertT [-\]: or it turns into white into 1 lib left on whites turn
flobby [-\]: w can eat all of black
flobby [-\]: and continue
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;W[dh]C[RobertT [-\]: but then the number is no longer 720
RobertT [-\]: because you have to start all over
flobby [-\]: did he say the answer was 720?
RobertT [-\]: ya
flobby [-\]: someone guessed 720 at the very beginning
Goprince [4d\]: b feels like resinging right about now
flobby [-\]: it was like the first guess or something
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;W[fm]C[Goprince [4d\]: b reisgsn very soon
AppleWatch: am I seeing it wrong?
Goprince [4d\]: you are not
AppleWatch: what if b e7 h7?
RobertT [-\]: well that's unfortunate
Goprince [4d\]: just g8
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;B[bk]C[RobertT [-\]: best black can do is cut through at h7... but it doesnt really get anything
AppleWatch: I guess Mark has this illusion that he is connected
flobby [-\]: do pros get paid at us go congress?
Goprince [4d\]: w can play e7 i think
AppleWatch: that was my first impression :)
RobertT [-\]: they get paid.. in a way
PATLEE [5k\]: who is leading
testgo1 [3k\]: w+r
RobertT [-\]: ya... d6 dying is big...
PATLEE [5k\]: w is pro
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;W[gl]C[RobertT [-\]: but... black has a winning record vs pros lol
testgo1 [3k\]: b missread
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;B[bf]C[flobby [-\]: when people say "black is in trouble, black should resign"
flobby [-\]: do they really just mean black is behind by 5 points
flobby [-\]: because for my level that's still considered a very close game, not even a lead
rsun [4d\]: if pro say "b is behind", it could still be a close game
flyalot [1k\]: rsun is right
rsun [4d\]: but if pro say "b should resign", there's not much hope
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;W[ad]C[flyalot [1k\]: i agree
hasu001 [5d\]: g17?
flobby [-\]: not much hope = behind 4 pts?
rsun [4d\]: I think it depends on the stage of the game as well
RobertT [-\]: when people say a player should resign when they are actually only 5 points behind, what they really mean is "they are pro so they must be lee sedol and the person behind is now me..... the game is hopeless"
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;W[be]C[flobby [-\]: yeah
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;B[aq]C[flobby [-\]: i meant in this stage
flyalot [1k\]: who is leading now ?
flobby [-\]: not late endgame
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;W[fr]C[rsun [4d\]: if pro says someone should resign at this stage, then s/he must be behind by a lot
rsun [4d\]: nothing to attack, impossible to make big territory, etc
flobby [-\]: but how much is a lot for pros?
flobby [-\]: 10 pts? 15 pts?
RobertT [-\]: a lot is 5 points or more
flobby [-\]: 5 pts?
RobertT [-\]: unplayable is 10 points or more
flobby [-\]: I mean yes, it also depends on how many points in total
rsun [4d\]: if there's nth to attack or make big territory, then even 5 is a lot
flobby [-\]: but to say x% of total territory is kind of a pain
flobby [-\]: so just generally
AppleWatch: I think b should resign now?
flyalot [1k\]: why b res ?
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;B[br]C[flyalot [1k\]: oh, b6 is dying ?
rsun [4d\]: let me put it this way, if both players are equal on board, and b cannot do anything to make up for komi, then pro can already say b has lost
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;W[eq]C[flobby [-\]: I guess b is going all in here
grumpyjoe [-\]: now k4 starts to get in trouble
flobby [-\]: so in this situation is b behind by 5 pts? 10 pts? how much approximately?
rsun [4d\]: I think we need to wait until the kos are settled
flyalot [1k\]: can b manage to shinogi two group here ?
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;B[gr]C[rsun [4d\]: it certainly doesn't look good for b
flyalot [1k\]: i see
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;B[gq]C[RobertT [-\]: assuming black dies here, white is up about 10-15 points
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;B[bd]C[Goprince [4d\]: your assuming top right is cash?
AndEdhel [4k\]: b has c9?
RobertT [-\]: I assume 1/2 is
flyalot [1k\]: hmmm
RobertT [-\]: if white invades 1 area black gets the other
K5 [?\]: Can't assume UR is solid
RobertT [-\]: that's why I'm not
Surrounded [1k\]: r14 is so thin w r17 might even work
flyalot [1k\]: if b win ko here, i think b have good chance
Surrounded [1k\]: there's a price for winning a ko like this
flyalot [1k\]: yes
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;B[ac]C[turtleboy [7k?\]: No commentary from USGO?
Reym [-\]: Lee Hajin finds this game tough for black now
rsun [4d\]: commentary is done live on youtube
turtleboy [7k?\]: I know but usually he'd be in the chat commenting 
turtleboy [7k?\]: On the game
turtleboy [7k?\]: And asking us questions 
turtleboy [7k?\]: Maybe it's a different guy today
USGO1 [-\]: my comments would typically be a radio description of the players... with the invention of television, the radio mostly just plays music now
AndEdhel [4k\]: a6 to prevent b b8?
turtleboy [7k?\]: Lol ok
rsun [4d\]: do they players know their coughs are being recorded
rsun [4d\]: the*
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;W[hb]
;B[ai]C[kmr [1d\]: sure, every single hair was counted, so i assume coughs too ;)
testgo1 [3k\]: but who care :)
RobertT [-\]: turns out white is an active pro
AndEdhel [4k\]: he s proactive
]
;W[aj]
;B[bj]
;W[bi]
;B[ak]
;W[bl]C[RobertT [-\]: just found him on the chinese weiqi association website. he is 87 out of 342 for active tournament pros
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;B[ah]C[hemb [?\]: looks rough for w right now
]
;W[ic]C[AndEdhel [4k\]: m4?
hoyuka [1d\]: who is ahead?
Nygma [3d\]: w  seems better too me
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;B[kn]C[gogen [3k\]: i feel b is almost done 
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;W[mp]
;B[km]
;W[kl]C[Mitty [1k\]: L7...wat a violent move
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;B[ll]
;W[kk]C[rsun [4d\]: when does commentary resume?
hemb [?\]: l7 = I will kill g8?
rsun [4d\]: and m3 and p10
hoyuka [1d\]: that means i want to die
AndEdhel [4k\]: looks at o5 or o6?
hemb [?\]: l7 m8 are weak themselves though... tough fight seems like
K5 [?\]: I'm not selling life insurance to L7
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;B[mm]
;W[lk]C[gogen [3k\]: b is looking for a good moment to resign imho
]
;B[nl]C[AndEdhel [4k\]: o5, and enjoy?
AndEdhel [4k\]: or n6?
negesog [6k\]: There is not good moments to resign
K5 [?\]: Or o6
elsky [2d\]: gogen you are a real resign advisor
]
;W[nn]C[turtleboy [7k?\]: Lol
]
;B[nj]
;W[oi]C[buu [?\]: Who are the players? I am on mobile cant see names
rsun [4d\]: I'm sure the white house is in desperate need of that post
Mitty [1k\]: as this is a nice moment, let me resign
AndEdhel [4k\]: ok mobile, press i
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;B[ni]
;W[nh]C[buu [?\]: Thx
turtleboy [7k?\]: Click on the three dashes in the upper left and look down at the list
kmr [1d\]: what is 2nd prize? about few thousands of USD i think, so black will not surrender that easily i suppose
turtleboy [7k?\]: It will show you the names 
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;B[mi]C[buu [?\]: 2500 usd
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;W[hk]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]C[rsun [4d\]: that'll cover the weekly expenses
negesog [6k\]: I feel better is better and better 
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;B[pl]C[negesog [6k\]: B I mean
hemb [?\]: n11 is a solid empty triangle
Growl3r [6k\]: Who is dead in bottom left?
AndEdhel [4k\]: b6
rsun [4d\]: the real reason why empty triangles are bad is because they don't exist in tetris
guapo [1d\]: black is
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;W[rm]C[Growl3r [6k\]: Tx
rsun [4d\]: so n12 is a good move now
K5 [?\]: then how come b2 bombers are good?
rsun [4d\]: as it makes a valid tetris shape
guapo [1d\]: it was a trade
kmr [1d\]: N12-P12 and tetriscally even game ;)
]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]C[kmr [1d\]: currently white lead in B2B 1-0 so i assume white has decisive lead
]
;B[rj]
;W[ri]C[AndEdhel [4k\]: q9
AndEdhel [4k\]: makes 2 cuts
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;B[pj]
;W[qi]C[sadfasdf: yes, but B can finish it's B2B at A10 at any time
Vash3G [-\]: How much time do the players have left?
negesog [6k\]: Do We see the same game??? 
guapo [1d\]: 20 mins
rsun [4d\]: should be 35 in total
kmr [1d\]: Yes, black can build one B2B at A10, but white would respond  C1 which keep his lead in real points 2-1 ;)
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;B[mn]C[USGO1 [-\]: black has 13 mins main time left
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;W[np]
;B[rl]
;W[sj]
;B[sl]C[rsun [4d\]: w 21?
hoyuka [1d\]: wow ~ ~ ~ ~
hoyuka [1d\]: too aggressive
hemb [?\]: wp9?
hoyuka [1d\]: Black
rsun [4d\]: when does commentary resume?
AndEdhel [4k\]: w q9 looked simpler to me
Vash3G [-\]: Commentary resumed already on the youtube stream
rsun [4d\]: o thx
hemb [?\]: wq9 is in atari...
]
;W[rq]C[K5 [?\]: So how would w reply to S5?
]
;B[qq]
;W[or]
;B[oq]
;W[nr]C[hemb [?\]: maybe wp2 to reply to s5?
agameaday [1d\]: wow did black reverse the game?
hoyuka [1d\]: what's happening now?
]
;B[ro]C[hemb [?\]: w stealing the small corner?
hemb [?\]: q8 is kind of lacking in eyes, maybe w will let s5 attach to t8 and then kill everything
awesome [3k\]: corner not so small if b dies :)
Growl3r [6k\]: What's the YouTube link?
rsun [4d\]: https://youtu.be/x1YT4VhafTI
Growl3r [6k\]: Tx
rsun [4d\]: yw
buu [?\]: Is there a way to see coordinates on mobile? 
kanefire [6k\]: Preferences
vaansama [1d?\]: I already see it.
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;W[js]C[vaansama [1d?\]: In préf optio 
buu [?\]: KK got it
awesome [3k\]: p9 scary
]
;B[ks]C[hemb [?\]: k1 I did not expect
agameaday [1d\]: what if w accidentally dies here
agameaday [1d\]: game over?
guapo [1d\]: sure
awesome [3k\]: 4p only die on purpose
agameaday [1d\]: say he does a self atari or something
]
;W[kr]
;B[jr]
;W[ls]
;B[es]
;W[fs]
;B[gs]C[Muttley [3k\]: b can't approach?
coolzero [4k\]: a4 
daozoo: A2 first
]
;W[ar]
;B[is]C[USGO1 [-\]: 5 min warning for white
wither [3k?\]: youre kidding me... how much did they start with?
agameaday [1d\]: 90 mins
awesome [3k\]: is s2 sente?
awesome [3k\]: I know I would answer
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;W[rr]C[AppleWatch: USGO1, I think that 90mins is too short for these top level games
]
;B[sm]C[AppleWatch: double that would make more sense
AppleWatch: what do you think?
rsun [4d\]: then they'd need a 2-week congress
USGO1 [-\]: sure... the next time I'm in charge
AppleWatch: in Europe Go Congress, they have 2.5 hours each, and 3 x 1min 
uolhdf: p9  ?
agameaday [1d\]: how about 2-day 8 hour games
awesome [3k\]: it's good for popularity that times are around 1 hour
AppleWatch: with 90 mins, you basically can't think through...
rsun [4d\]: or they can keep that within 1 week by doing single elimination
AppleWatch: that can finish in one day
agameaday [1d\]: they can extend it to 8 weeks
kanefire [6k\]: What is the main web page for this tournament? Every time I Google I get golf results
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;W[qr]C[oren [?\]: www.gocongress.org
Vash3G [-\]: Are you looking for the crosstabs for the tournament or general tournament information?
rsun [4d\]: a big problem is that people in the US don't get as much paid vacation as those in europe
kanefire [6k\]: Just general like rules and brackets
AppleWatch: why mark still didnt' resign...
Vash3G [-\]: Crosstabs (brackets) - http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/173
USGO1 [-\]: usgo.org
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;B[no]C[kanefire [6k\]: Thank you
rsun [4d\]: if you extend to 8 weeks only retirees would attend
rsun [4d\]: and vagabonds
AppleWatch: maybe 9 days 9 rounds
AppleWatch: if you want to compete the trophy, then make time for it :)
agameaday [1d\]: or trustfund babies
AppleWatch: what is Mark doing by O5?
]
;W[ok]C[awesome [3k\]: what kind of trickery is o5
buu [?\]: It is 9 round 6 in the morning  3 in the evening
rsun [4d\]: could be setting up the stage for resign
AppleWatch: probably
AppleWatch: @buu, I mean with longer timer
awesome [3k\]: yeah it's nice to resign with some drama
AppleWatch: so that they play one game a day
USGO1 [-\]: 5 min warning for black now
hoyuka [1d\]: w will win.
negesog [6k\]:   will beB 
negesog [6k\]: B win 
hoyuka [1d\]: wut?
negesog [6k\]: By 0.5
AppleWatch: many people just can't talk reasonably
]
;B[op]C[hoyuka [1d\]: what is reason?
]
;W[ol]
;B[om]C[rsun [4d\]: reason is the basis for treason
USGO1 [-\]: 1 min warning for white
negesog [6k\]: But probably w or b will resign before the end 
awesome [3k\]: why would b resign if he wins by .5?
rsun [4d\]: that happened in pro games before
negesog [6k\]: I am joke 
USGO1 [-\]: white is now in byo-yomi
awesome [3k\]: I never would have guessed :)
AppleWatch: why w didn't connect these back
]
;W[mo]C[rsun [4d\]: it's a very subtle thing in chinese rules
]
;B[oo]C[AppleWatch: that's so weird
]
;W[qf]C[awesome [3k\]: maybe about sente?
rsun [4d\]: in that game, the resigned player could've won by playing within the opponents territory
agameaday [1d\]: why would you resign when you're 0.5 behind
rsun [4d\]: which would create more ko threats, allowing him to win the last dame and ko
]
;B[qe]C[negesog [6k\]: 5 time 30 second? 
]
;W[pf]C[rsun [4d\]: but he didn't see that, so he assumed he couldn't get both
rsun [4d\]: and just resigned
agameaday [1d\]: what a weak player
awesome [3k\]: yesterday I was 30 ahead and resigned because I suck so horrifically at counting 
]
;B[bb]C[awesome [3k\]: sometimes I keep playing while 40 behind
AppleWatch: I don't think b can get this back
]
;W[qc]C[awesome [3k\]: oh nice
negesog [6k\]: It's strange I just came to 6 k and won 6 and lost 2!!! 
USGO1 [-\]: 1 min warning for black
awesome [3k\]: million to 1 chance
USGO1 [-\]: black is now in byo-yomi
]
;B[pc]
;W[rc]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]
;B[pb]
;W[pd]
;B[pe]
;W[oe]
;B[re]
;W[od]
;B[rf]
;W[rg]
;B[qg]C[guapo [1d\]: Oo
]
;W[pg]
;B[rh]C[hoyuka [1d\]: Cheer the USGO up!
]
;W[sh]C[guapo [1d\]: hurra
]
;B[sg]
;W[ph]
;B[si]
;W[gj]
;B[fi]C[kmr [1d\]: timesuji?
]
;W[sh]C[guapo [1d\]: ko threat
kmr [1d\]: ah ko :)
guapo [1d\]: lol
]
;B[as]C[kmr [1d\]: its going so fast :), i was watching other things :)
awesome [3k\]: wait, w never player a4? 
guapo [1d\]: i dont think so
ongHa [2d\]: no need
Zalasha [1d\]: why would w want to play a4
awesome [3k\]: so b i dead
guapo [1d\]: yeah
]
;W[ap]
;B[si]C[Grunman [8k\]: did w really need the ko?
guapo [1d\]: you bet
]
;W[bg]
;B[ag]
;W[sh]
;B[mq]
;W[pr]
;B[si]C[hoyuka [1d\]: Has b resigned?
]
;W[bh]C[kmr [1d\]: nope, he is fighting ko
awesome [3k\]: would be weird to resign and then play t11
guapo [1d\]: maye he means in his life
]
;B[af]
;W[sh]
;B[ra]
;W[rg]
;B[sd]
;W[lc]
;B[cs]
;W[ar]
;B[mr]
;W[ms]
;B[aq]
;W[ds]
;B[ao]
;W[bs]C[testgo1 [3k\]: b come back ?
]
;B[ns]C[awesome [3k\]: I was told b was dead :)
testgo1 [3k\]: this ko is good for b
]
;W[lp]
;B[on]C[guapo [1d\]: errr
Ana1ysis [1k\]: ?
guapo [1d\]: what's that
]
;W[ar]C[Zalasha [1d\]: m4 nice
]
;B[sq]C[TDK [3d?\]: not exactly spectacular
guapo [1d\]: why not
Zalasha [1d\]: oh not alive yet...?
TDK [3d?\]: it's alive
guapo [1d\]: how
coolzero [4k\]: xthysq dsuhfk
rsun [4d\]: t2 s1
USGO1 [-\]: Yulin slaps himself on his head, and is now visibly upset
coolzero [4k\]: xthysq dsuhfk
]
;W[qa]C[awesome [3k\]: lol
coolzero [4k\]: черный выграл
TDK [3d?\]: lol
]
;B[sb]
;W[oc]C[RobertT [-\]: white died
]
;B[ob]C[TDK [3d?\]: ok, i take everything back
coolzero [4k\]: 4р лол
awesome [3k\]: so cool 
guapo [1d\]: oh my
Zalasha [1d\]: yeah i didnt see t3 kills heh
awesome [3k\]: thanks to m4?
guapo [1d\]: so m4 was bad
]
;W[os]C[guapo [1d\]: lol
awesome [3k\]: lol
]
;B[qs]C[rsun [4d\]: w learned to rebate from zen and aya
RobertT [-\]: need more kos
hoyuka [1d\]: wow
Zalasha [1d\]: ouch what a mistake
hoyuka [1d\]: Look b's amazing reading.
awesome [3k\]: j2 nothing? 
coolzero [4k\]: в прямом эфире удивляются тоже
USGO1 [-\]: White resigns here
coolzero [4k\]: белый слил
guapo [1d\]: wow mark lee
testgo1 [3k\]: epic die
hoyuka [1d\]: wow ~
rsun [4d\]: d'oh!
RobertT [-\]: ya j2 nothing
USGO1 [-\]: B+r
rsun [4d\]: is tong banging his head?
Zalasha [1d\]: ouch...
Ana1ysis [1k\]: *clap clap*
herissondu [5d\]: gggggggg
hoyuka [1d\]: Thanks for the brilliant game !
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks everyone for watching
guapo [1d\]: so who's leading te open now?
agameaday [1d\]: ok
rsun [4d\]: both tong and mark
Weishenme [4d\]: nice
rsun [4d\]: so next round is still tong vs mark?
awesome [3k\]: I'm behind on the stream, looking forward to what haylee says about m4
guapo [1d\]: really?
flobby [-\]: who wants to scroll up
flobby [-\]: to where flobby said
flobby [-\]: "what if white accidentally died here"
coolzero [4k\]: все делают ошибки
flobby [-\]: flobby for 9p!
flobby [-\]: about 100 moves ago
rsun [4d\]: but which "here" was it? ;)
coolzero [4k\]: ЛОЛ 4р
flobby [-\]: it was
flobby [-\]: clearly referring to bottom right :)
rsun [4d\]: debbie? lol
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